Mazda Fails at Rust Prevention

Posted in Failures, Technical Articles by Chris on October 17th, 2007

I’ve owned a lot of cars at this point in my life. No fewer than ten vehicles have come into my ownership in the past decade, most of which were beaters, and all of which had between 75k and 175k miles on them. Fully 30% of the vehicles I have owned have been Mazda Proteges of between 130k and 170k. Every one of those Proteges has had some kind of unacceptable corrosion above and beyond the norm for a New England vehicle of similar age and mileage. Some examples would include:

  • rusted, leaking gas tank
  • excessive underbody rust/rot
  • structrual unibody rust with holes — rear strut towers, trunk
  • completely unremovable rear suspension components
  • rusted, seized brake components — bleeder screws*


The last one deserves special mention, as well as its own place in hell. All of my three Proteges required the replacement of at least two brake calipers for various reasons – sometimes a rusted slider or a seized piston, but more commonly from snapping off the rusted bleeder screw in  the caliper body. Now there is just no excuse for this. What’s the problem? Mazda designs their calipers with TINY bleeder screws — 7mm rear and 8mm front on the Protege and Miata, and 7mm all around on some of their earlier models. This is inexcusable. What happens is the bleeder threads inevitably rust in the caliper, and the bleeder itself rusts and weakens. When you attempt to remove them, what metal remains (in the form of a hollow 7mm tube, rusted inside and out) is not strong enough to support the necessary removal torque. Penetrating oil was unsuccessful in every instance. Heat doesn’t help, if anything it makes the screw fail faster. Noah has even snapped speed bleeders that probably had less than 10k miles on them.

rusty bleeder screw on a Protege

So what can you do?

  • Try very carefully to remove each bleeder. Soak those irritating suckers in PB Blaster for a while first.
  • Always try to unscrew the bleeder before you remove the caliper or open the hydraulic system for any reason. If it snaps off, the car should still be drivable in which case you can probably drive to a parts store and pick up a new caliper.
  • If you’re lucky and they each turn freely, or have already replaced your calipers, put something on the threads — teflon tape, thread sealant, blue or purple Loctite, anti-seize – ANYTHING
  • Use rubber caps to prevent internal corrosion that will further weaken the bleeder screw.
  • Replace them with shiny new Speed Bleeders, which use a thread sealant in order to function.

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4 Comments so far

  1. […] in their early-90s cars. One of the ways this lack of foresight manifests itself is in the brakes – namely the mechanical rear disc emergency brake or parking brake of the Miata and Protege. […]

  2. I found myself nodding my head over and over as I read this entry! My 93 Protege LX correlates strongly with Chris’ observations: Rust atop the rear strut towers and also around the front passenger’s side engine-mount/chassis rail/wheel well area. I enjoy driving the car and hope to keep her in one piece for another 5 years (in which I may or may not aquire a 2nd protege) So I am taking survey of all the major pointsof unibody rust and I’m applying POR-15 rust converter. Thus far I’ve hit the tops of the two rear strut towers (the struts were replaced last year after COMPLETE failure, the new ones installed fine) as well as along the floor pan/rocker panel seam. Now that I have identified the rust in the front passengers side wheel well (through to the chassis rail) that while not looking all that structural now, could affect the nearby engine mount, so I’m going to treat it too with the POR-15 and see what occurs. HOPEFULLY I’ll have some success in stopping (or more realistically slowing) the spread of car chassis cancer. Any ideas are welcome :-)

  3. Oil pan on my 2003 Mazda Protege 4-dr sedan so badly rusted that it now steadily leaks oil and will have to be replaced. I have heard about this problem with Korean-built cars before, but never with vehicles manufactured by Mazda.

    Anyway, the pan needs to be replaced and I shudder at the thought of what Mazda will charge for this.

    Does anyone have any aftermarket replacement recommendations, including pan and gasket? And experience with this job…easy, difficult???

    M

    Mazad oil pan rust

  4. A new pan is $50 from RockAuto if you feel like tackling it yourself. I remember Clint split his pan on a rock a few years ago and ended up welding it successfully, but you’re better off just replacing it. It shouldn’t be too hard. You can usually substitute silicone (like Permatex) for a gasket.

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