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	<title>Comments on: Secretly Recording a Traffic Stop is Illegal In Massachusetts</title>
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		<title>By: Frank Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have retired as an internal affairs commander out West. Thank goodness people are able to tape police officers out here, or we would have missed abuses beyond belief. I think the justices in Massachusetts should go back and study the constitution. How embarrassing for people who live there to have such a corrupt system. 

At what point could anyone believe that a traffic stop on a public roadway is confidential? More importantly most agencies tape their stops, which is proof that there is no expectation of privacy, or they would need to get a warrant. Finally, how could a reasonable person do as the courts suggest and advise the police that they were in fact taping?  Wow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have retired as an internal affairs commander out West. Thank goodness people are able to tape police officers out here, or we would have missed abuses beyond belief. I think the justices in Massachusetts should go back and study the constitution. How embarrassing for people who live there to have such a corrupt system. </p>
<p>At what point could anyone believe that a traffic stop on a public roadway is confidential? More importantly most agencies tape their stops, which is proof that there is no expectation of privacy, or they would need to get a warrant. Finally, how could a reasonable person do as the courts suggest and advise the police that they were in fact taping?  Wow!</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dalesd, you are definitely right that it is a lose-lose situation.  I have read a number of incidents recently where various charges have been levied against individuals stemming from similar situations.

I wouldn't classify publishing on youtube as a valid 3rd option, however.  At least not where the video was recorded in Massachusetts.  Your basically arguing that with enough public support on one's side, the government will be forced to change the law.  Given the recent trend in the US towards strengthing governmental power, I don't think the legislature would rewrite this statute.  I also don't see the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts overruling itself simply on the basis of public opinion absent any change of the law by the legislature.  That said, you are more than welcome to be the test case :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dalesd, you are definitely right that it is a lose-lose situation.  I have read a number of incidents recently where various charges have been levied against individuals stemming from similar situations.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t classify publishing on youtube as a valid 3rd option, however.  At least not where the video was recorded in Massachusetts.  Your basically arguing that with enough public support on one&#8217;s side, the government will be forced to change the law.  Given the recent trend in the US towards strengthing governmental power, I don&#8217;t think the legislature would rewrite this statute.  I also don&#8217;t see the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts overruling itself simply on the basis of public opinion absent any change of the law by the legislature.  That said, you are more than welcome to be the test case <img src='http://www.pansypatrol.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dalesd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dalesd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you tell the cop you're recording he'll just demand you turn it off.  If you don't you'll get arrested for obstruction of justice (or some other BS).

If you don't tell the cop you're recording, and they turn the tape in to the police and file a complaint, you'll get arrested and go to jail.

So it's a lose-lose, right?  No, there's a third option.  Publish the video on youtube (or get a 3rd party to do it).  Expose the misconduct first, to get public support on your side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you tell the cop you&#8217;re recording he&#8217;ll just demand you turn it off.  If you don&#8217;t you&#8217;ll get arrested for obstruction of justice (or some other BS).</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t tell the cop you&#8217;re recording, and they turn the tape in to the police and file a complaint, you&#8217;ll get arrested and go to jail.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s a lose-lose, right?  No, there&#8217;s a third option.  Publish the video on youtube (or get a 3rd party to do it).  Expose the misconduct first, to get public support on your side.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats not entirely true.  I have definitely seen some videos taken by dash cams that included sound, though I don't know what sort of dash cams departments in Massachusetts use, if any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats not entirely true.  I have definitely seen some videos taken by dash cams that included sound, though I don&#8217;t know what sort of dash cams departments in Massachusetts use, if any.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wiretapping law prohibits intercepting or recording oral communication. Dashboard cameras in police cars (as well as most other surveillance cameras) just record video, so there is no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wiretapping law prohibits intercepting or recording oral communication. Dashboard cameras in police cars (as well as most other surveillance cameras) just record video, so there is no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jay, we do what we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jay, we do what we can.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Belknap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Belknap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to thank the Pansy Patrol for updates to the site, they provide a good read. Keep it up guys.</description>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not 100% certain what the law is regarding the officer asking you to turn it off once he is alerted, but I believe the answer is no, he cannot.  I know that with photography, your photos/film are you personal property and you cannot be deprived of them without due process of law per the constitution.  The officer asking you to turn it off and/or seizing your recording is not due process (though that doesn't mean a court won't interpret it as such).  

Good points about his dash cam and tolls!  That would likely hinge on whether someone is expecting to be recorded in those situations.  That would definitely anger a lot of people if you sued a police department for illegally recording a traffic stop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not 100% certain what the law is regarding the officer asking you to turn it off once he is alerted, but I believe the answer is no, he cannot.  I know that with photography, your photos/film are you personal property and you cannot be deprived of them without due process of law per the constitution.  The officer asking you to turn it off and/or seizing your recording is not due process (though that doesn&#8217;t mean a court won&#8217;t interpret it as such).  </p>
<p>Good points about his dash cam and tolls!  That would likely hinge on whether someone is expecting to be recorded in those situations.  That would definitely anger a lot of people if you sued a police department for illegally recording a traffic stop!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That being said Once you inform the officer, does he have the right to tell you to turn it off? Also by that same law, the officer's dash cam recordings, even during an illegal crime or chase would, have to be treated the same way since he did not inform the driver ahead of time?! This would also make any toll or moving violation cameras pictures illegal as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That being said Once you inform the officer, does he have the right to tell you to turn it off? Also by that same law, the officer&#8217;s dash cam recordings, even during an illegal crime or chase would, have to be treated the same way since he did not inform the driver ahead of time?! This would also make any toll or moving violation cameras pictures illegal as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Auto Clerks &#187; Secretly Recording A Traffic Stop In Massachusetts Will Land You In The Slammer [Novelties]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Auto Clerks &#187; Secretly Recording A Traffic Stop In Massachusetts Will Land You In The Slammer [Novelties]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just an ass looking to get one over on the cops. Karma, it seems, is indeed a bitch. [Details at PansyPatrol (what a great name)]; Photo from [...]</description>
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