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	<title>Comments on: Understeer, Oversteer, and 4 Wheel Drift</title>
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		<title>By: The Pansy Patrol &#187; Advanced Incident Management: What to do AFTER a Difficulty</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pansy Patrol &#187; Advanced Incident Management: What to do AFTER a Difficulty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talked about the basics of oversteer and how to correct them, but now its time for a little more in-depth look at what exactly you should [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Pansy Patrol &#187; Advanced Incident Management: What to do AFTER a Difficulty</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talked about the basics of oversteer and how to correct them, but now its time for a little more in-depth look at what exactly you should [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Pansy Patrol - Info for the 3000GT / Stealth Community</title>
		<link>http://www.pansypatrol.com/understeer-oversteer-and-4-wheel-drift/comment-page-1/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>The Pansy Patrol - Info for the 3000GT / Stealth Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As you know from reading Oversteer, Understeer, and 4 Wheel Drift, Oversteer is what happens when your rear tires lose traction before the front tires while the car is turning. This causes the car to begin to spin and, if not corrected, the car will spin out completely.  Power Oversteer When most people think of Oversteer, they think of a very powerful rear-wheel drive vehicles spinning the rear tires by the sheer power of the engine. This is known as Power Oversteer. This is a typical (and amusing) means to induce Oversteer, but it is only one way to get your car sideways. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As you know from reading Oversteer, Understeer, and 4 Wheel Drift, Oversteer is what happens when your rear tires lose traction before the front tires while the car is turning. This causes the car to begin to spin and, if not corrected, the car will spin out completely.  Power Oversteer When most people think of Oversteer, they think of a very powerful rear-wheel drive vehicles spinning the rear tires by the sheer power of the engine. This is known as Power Oversteer. This is a typical (and amusing) means to induce Oversteer, but it is only one way to get your car sideways. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 06:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question.  There are many factors that can lead to understeer and oversteer, and the best way to correct them.  Weight distribution is one of those factors, which I'll explain a little  more below.  However, in the idealized example I was using in my article, the short answer is that no, the drivetrain and/or weight distribution cannot inherently turn understeer into oversteer.

Think of it this way.  Imagine you are in a gigantic parking lot, driving in a circle.  Now imagine that you lose all traction in the front.  Since your steering wheels no longer have any grip, they cannot turn the front of the car.  Thus, the car will travel in a straight line, and you will experience oversteer.  If, instead of your front wheels losing traction, your rear wheels lose traction, then the front of your car will continue to turn and follow the circle, but your rear will continue in a straight line.  This is Oversteer, and will put you into a spin if not corrected since the rear of the car does not turn with the front of the car.

It is important to note why Oversteer occurs, as this will help you understand why Understeer does not become Oversteer.  Oversteer requires traction in the steering tires to introduce rotation to the car.  With no rotation, there can be no Oversteer.  Try locking up all 4 wheels sometime and you will see that the car just travels in a straight line.

Weight distribution comes into play in inducing Over or Understeer, and in how easy it is to correct.   I'm going to write an article at some point about the finer points of this, but can give you a quick run down now.  Basically, the tires at the heavier end have to work harder.  A front-heavy car works the front tires harder, and reaches and exceeds their traction limit first.  Thus, front-heavy cars tend to understeer more (all other factors being 100% equal, which they rarely are).  

More important is what happens when you begin to Oversteer.  With a rear-heavy car, there is now a lot of weight swinging out to the side.  More weight has more inertia, and requires more grip to correct.  Thus, rear-heavy cars can be more difficult to control in Oversteer.  

And while most cars are either front or mid-engined, Porsche 911s are all rear-engined.  So rear-heavy cars are a bit more common than you would think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question.  There are many factors that can lead to understeer and oversteer, and the best way to correct them.  Weight distribution is one of those factors, which I&#8217;ll explain a little  more below.  However, in the idealized example I was using in my article, the short answer is that no, the drivetrain and/or weight distribution cannot inherently turn understeer into oversteer.</p>
<p>Think of it this way.  Imagine you are in a gigantic parking lot, driving in a circle.  Now imagine that you lose all traction in the front.  Since your steering wheels no longer have any grip, they cannot turn the front of the car.  Thus, the car will travel in a straight line, and you will experience oversteer.  If, instead of your front wheels losing traction, your rear wheels lose traction, then the front of your car will continue to turn and follow the circle, but your rear will continue in a straight line.  This is Oversteer, and will put you into a spin if not corrected since the rear of the car does not turn with the front of the car.</p>
<p>It is important to note why Oversteer occurs, as this will help you understand why Understeer does not become Oversteer.  Oversteer requires traction in the steering tires to introduce rotation to the car.  With no rotation, there can be no Oversteer.  Try locking up all 4 wheels sometime and you will see that the car just travels in a straight line.</p>
<p>Weight distribution comes into play in inducing Over or Understeer, and in how easy it is to correct.   I&#8217;m going to write an article at some point about the finer points of this, but can give you a quick run down now.  Basically, the tires at the heavier end have to work harder.  A front-heavy car works the front tires harder, and reaches and exceeds their traction limit first.  Thus, front-heavy cars tend to understeer more (all other factors being 100% equal, which they rarely are).  </p>
<p>More important is what happens when you begin to Oversteer.  With a rear-heavy car, there is now a lot of weight swinging out to the side.  More weight has more inertia, and requires more grip to correct.  Thus, rear-heavy cars can be more difficult to control in Oversteer.  </p>
<p>And while most cars are either front or mid-engined, Porsche 911s are all rear-engined.  So rear-heavy cars are a bit more common than you would think.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Oversteer is significantly more dangerous than Understeer. Understeer just puts the car into a straight skid, while Oversteer can make the car spin off of the road completely." I'm sure I must be wrong on this but wouldn't that partially depend on weigh distribution and if it's front wheel, rear wheel or 4-wheel drive? For example what if it was a rear-wheel drive car heavy in the back- wouldn't losing traction on the front cause the back of the car to spin toward the front? (And eventually spin out.) Or was is just that since there aren't "many" rear-wheel drive cars with the engine in back anymore it's inconsequential?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oversteer is significantly more dangerous than Understeer. Understeer just puts the car into a straight skid, while Oversteer can make the car spin off of the road completely.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure I must be wrong on this but wouldn&#8217;t that partially depend on weigh distribution and if it&#8217;s front wheel, rear wheel or 4-wheel drive? For example what if it was a rear-wheel drive car heavy in the back- wouldn&#8217;t losing traction on the front cause the back of the car to spin toward the front? (And eventually spin out.) Or was is just that since there aren&#8217;t &#8220;many&#8221; rear-wheel drive cars with the engine in back anymore it&#8217;s inconsequential?</p>
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